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    Wayne
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    The first two paragraphs speak out, that’s for certain ! Seems the definition of ‘speaking out’ is even altered to accommodate the chosen means to and end ..? Speaking out with ferocity…with vigor ..? You see, this is exactly the point … speaking out by ‘your kind, with your feelings ..’ as you described the question writer, not only does NOT address the simple, civilized question, but reinforces the deep hatred, the unchecked determined committal to have us ‘hear’ you..? Is it not understandable, then, that our hearing, by manipulated definition as well, then becomes counter.., i.e., counter-terrorism and counter-defense..? Who then, under the above chosen definitions, caused the activity which she, the author of such hatred, passes off her agreed to violence-as-the-means attitude, then tells us we aren’t hearing ..?? Yes – we hear your ‘voice’ .. clearly, and see what that ‘voice’ speaks each day, somewhere in the global community …that voice shouting its demise, its misunderstood and peace-loving ways, its civilized voice of reason, begging us to understand and condone – that voice which kills, maims and destroys as its lanuage ! Incidently..the writer says it is not permitted to be on TV, to be on radio, etc., etc… but it is OK to kill indiscriminately ..?? Imagery, you say, is not permitted ..? Is it it any wonder that the rest of us ..i.e. the ‘western’ styled peoples … don’t, as you put it, hear you ? If we hear noise by responding with noise, why is then called ‘invading’, ‘illegal’, ‘unjust’ … or, of course, the usual answer when in doubt … that we are ‘the infidel’ ??

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    Name : Wayne, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Spiritual Humanitarian., Age : 57, City : Toronto, State : NA, Country : Canada, Occupation : International Mining Ventures, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class, 
    in reply to: Reply To: Why don’t Muslims speak against violence? #25123

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    So many people of experience see that violence is a chosen tool – the only one – to achieve political end in current times. Those who choose that very tool speak out against it..? If it is true – as seems to be a common point of view – that ‘everyone ‘ else is not listening or will not hear, then it would be logical to raise those voices to a crescendo … those voices that are claimed ( usually quite aggressively claimed incidently ) to be ‘ out there … ‘. Rather than stay quiet under the guise that ‘we’ aren’t listening, is it not more effective to present the so-called ‘plight’ of wrongly-done people unto and via civilized channels.. i.e join together and shout if you have to, on Tv, radio or whatever.. It seems the ‘speaking out ‘ claimants frequently misdirect their voices .. they speak out always, it seems, against us of western values … Shouldn’t those voices speak to their own violent peoples, the ones they call ‘extremists ‘ ? If not, they are only speaking ‘with’ … not against, as I see it! Or… is it perhaps ‘ hear us or we will shout with killing .. ?? I have lived amongst many people of this calling – the Muslims – in many places .. I must say it was common where even those who would like to speak against their own activities when they occurred … were indeed terrified to do so, especially publicly ! First hand witness on many, many sad occasions of this was I .. ! Finally, if we want to be heard by others as speaking against violent, killing methods for political recognition, shouldn’t we direct that shouting out at those who COMMIT that violence ? Why, then, speak out at those who receive the violence and killing ..??

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    Name : Wayne, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Spiritual Humanitarian., Age : 57, City : Toronto, State : NA, Country : Canada, Occupation : International Mining Ventures, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class, 
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