Why does gay affection bother straights?

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    Vincent
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    I have never seen public displays of affection on the part of homosexuals, but I know I’d probably dismiss it just as I would heterosexuals. As far as the last two responses are concerned, your hateful and condescending tones say more about organized religions than they do about the people you show contempt for. Using the Bible or some other book to justify hatred of anyone is the ultimate in hypocrisy. This goes especially for fellow African Americans, who ought to know better than to discriminate against others, as we have been (and continue to be) the targets of hate and discrimination.

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    Name : Vincent, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : Black/African American, Age : 29, City : Minneapolis, State : MN, Country : United States, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Lower middle class, 
    #14166

    BDA
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    I made my choice when I found out the workings of the ‘human jig-saw puzzle’. I firmly believe that it is unnatural for a man to be with a man, or a woman to be with a woman. Notice, I say ‘unnatural’ as apposed to ‘unbiblical’. Regardless of religious belief in any way, nowhere in nature is homosexual behavior practiced. Therefore, homosexual behavior must entail some sort of higher-level decision making ability, as seen only in humans. The only other option would be some sort of chemical imbalance in the brain. And, since no scientist/biologist/doctor has found any such imbalance in the chemistry of a homosexual’s brain, I cannot subscribe to such a notion. My perplexion comes from: Why do gays, lesbians, and bisexuals refuse to accept the idea of their making a decision to go against the norm, thereby causing great personal jeopardy, when, if the same consequences were implied to any other decision, one would be heralded in our society as a innovator or great person for making such a decision? *EDITOR: I REALIZE THAT THE PRECEDING SENTENCE MAY BE A RUN-ON, BUT I COULD NOT FIND A PLACE TO BREAK IT. FEEL FREE TO CHANGE THE PUNCTUATION, BUT PLEASE, BY ALL MEANS KEEP THE MEANING AND WORDING.* While my belief system tells me the practice of homosexuality is wrong, I do not believe the people who do so are wrong. I simply believe that the people who proclaim themselves as homosexual are not in tune with my belief system as I interpret it. Never will I condemn a person for their choices, but always will I be sure that they understand my side of the coin. I think those who are attacking Monique for her views should, pehaps, follow suit.

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    Name : BDA, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Religion : Episcopalian, Age : 19, City : Phx, State : AZ, Country : United States, Occupation : Educator, Education level : 2 Years of College, Social class : Lower middle class, 
    #16188

    NA20240
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    The Bible has many proven facts in it.Examples… the ark and organisms found atop Mt. Arafat,from the bottom of the ocean.All compounds,minerals,etc that is found in humans is also found in the soil.There are many,many more,if you’re not familiar with these please do some research.The scientists who discovered the above have done their research,and most of them don’t even believe in God,but their findings happen to support the Bible.Also,we are all born with a clean slate,we learn and choose things as we get older,based on our life experiences.No one is born a racist or full of hate.That’s something that we are taught or how we choose to accept,just like homosexuality.

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    #38566

    J.C.
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    Exodus 21:7: ‘When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go free as male slaves do.’
    Exodus 35:2: ‘On six days work may be done, but the seventh day shall be sacred to you as the sabbath of complete rest to the Lord. Anyone who does work on that day shall be put to death.’

    But those things God only intended for the times. Not like homosexuality, right?

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    #22382

    Joey
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    I don’t understand why anyone would choose to be ridiculed all the way through school. I don’t know why anyone would choose a life in which you could be tied to a fence and beaten to death. I don’t know why anyone would choose to never be accepted. I know that I didn’t choose to be gay. I was born this way and can’t be straight. It isn’t in me.

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    Name : Joey, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Gay, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Wiccan, Age : 20, City : Orlando, State : FL, Country : United States, Occupation : Student, Education level : 2 Years of College, Social class : Middle class, 
    #39587

    Diavolo
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    You are perfectly right … and there is no other explanation. God forbade and forbids homosexuality. Jah Bless

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    Name : Diavolo, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : Black/African American, Religion : Muslim, Age : 29, City : Chicago, State : IL, Country : United States, Occupation : student, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class, 
    #27481

    Nate O.
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    I agree with Monique. However, one thing that is never mentioned is the fact that it describes in the Bible in great detail how the earth is full of sin. Sin comes from Satan, and if you really want to get to the heart of being gay, it is due to Satan’s influence in our lives. Everyone sins, and all sins are equal (in Lutheran religion; others differ). Just as some are tempted by Satan to use the Lord’s name in vain, and others to murder, etc., some people are tempted to be gay (even though it is a lifestyle in which you are ridiculed, and it is not viewed positively by society, all this again the work of the devil). People may choose to be gay to an extent; however, the main cause is the environment in which we are raised where the devil is actively pursuing us and trying to get us to commit as many evil acts as possible. ‘Being’ gay is simply another one of those acts. However, it is NOT EASY to stop being gay, which is why people saying ‘Just stop being gay’ are clueless, just as people telling smokers to stop smoking who have never smoked themselves have no clue what it is like. The devil does have a firm grip on many of the things people do, and we always try to justify our actions. It is perfectly natural for a gay person to say that ‘God loves gays’ as well as ‘being gay isn’t wrong’ in order to justify what the devil is making them do. It is true that God loves all people, and wants us to have Him in our lives, however it is going to the extreme to say ‘God loves gays.’ You may well say that God loves murderers or God loves the wicked. This is not true, God loves the person, not the sinful acts they commit. I myself am struggling with sexual orientation, but I know what is causing it, and I hope that eventually I can deal with it, and change from this lifestyle. Basically all I can do for now is try to control my actions and pray for forgiveness every day for these evil thoughts being placed in my head by someone who doesn’t care for me or anyone else.

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    Kerry
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    Anne, I’d agree that saying it’s ‘OK’ to be gay so long as nobody has to acknowledge it is just about as bad as saying flat-out that it’s not OK to be gay. Monique, the real news is that your creator made me queer, just as sure as you were made straight. I didn’t hear your God tell me it’s wrong; I heard the prophets and men say so, though. I am unable to change who I am attracted to. Neither are you. Granted, I wouldn’t give up loving women, but that’s not the point. Cinque, it may be natural for you to see a man and a woman holding hands, but it’s just as natural for me to see two women. I have yet to see any argument other than religion against gay folks. Even the ‘natural’ argument doesn’t hold water – animals exhibit homosexual behavior on a fairly regular basis, and that’s as natural as you can get.

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    #35803

    Ali
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    I am not sure why some people find gay people showing affection to be bad. Probably it is because of traditional negative views of homosexuals. I am a Lutheran and from the Midwest, so one would assume I am ultra-conservative, but I am not bothered by homosexual affection at all. I think a person’s view of this is based on his or her upbringing. For example, I was raised to be tolerant of other people no matter what their race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc. Also, I have an aunt who is a lesbian, so that also may influence me. I agree that some straight people show too much affection in public, and it is disgusting. I don’t know why some people think that two straight people making out is not disgusting and that two homosexual people holding hands is. It doesn’t make sense to me, either. I hope this gives you some consolation that not all straight people think homosexual affection is gross and that not all straight people like to show a lot of affection in public (my boyfriend and I only hold hands and hug). I also wish that people would not be so intolerant and judgmental.

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    Name : Ali, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Lutheran, Age : 18, City : Iowa City, State : IA, Country : United States, Occupation : College Student, Education level : High School Diploma, Social class : Middle class, 
    #18041

    Cruz31915
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    Well honestly, I think overly affectionate people in public no matter what your sexual orientation are gross. I am married and I hold hands and will kiss my wife, but don’t over do it. As far as homosexual’s and PDA, I couldn’t care less about it. I just look at it as another happy couple, as long as it doesn’t cross that boundary by being overly done, like any couple. However I have to admit, that at one time I did to cringe when I seen two homosexual’s together kissing. I think it was because most of us straight people were raised to think homosexuality was something that wasn’t normal. And some of us that homosexuality was a sin. However, after I woke up and smelled what reality is I changed. There are so many other sins out there that people do that people don’t cringe at, why are so many people concerned with homosexuality? Then I realized after seeing some gay friends fall in love with someone that they are the same as my wife and I, they are in love. Why should it matter?

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    #42874

    David
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    if you study David and Johnathan’s Relationship you will find more.. First, both David and Jonathan had wives (as was customary then – and is now). David was described as being ruddy, with a fine appearance and handsome features (1 Sam 16:12 and 1 Sam 17:42) so apparently he was quite good-looking. When Jonathan first saw David he was immediately drawn to him. ‘When he [David] had finished speaking to Saul, the soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. And Saul took him away that day, and would not let him return to his father’s house. Then Jonathan made a covenant with David, because he loved him as his own soul. Then Jonathan stripped himself of his robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his sword, and even his armor and bow and girdle. {Sam 18:1-4} In this passage it speaks of an ‘immediate bond of love’, their souls being ‘in unison,’ their souls being ‘knit’. In Genesis 2:7, as written in the original Hebrew, it describes how God blew the breath of life into the body of Adam whom God had formed from earth, so that Adam became a living soul. The description in the book Genesis of ‘soul’, represents a combination of the body and the spirit. Using the same verbage in the book of Genesis as in the above passage from 1 Samuel suggests that the two men appear to have loved each other both physically and spiritually. Clothes were such at that time that people did not wear underwear. In removing his robe Jonathan would have stripped himself naked in front of David. That would be considered extremely unusual behavior then (and quite possibly now), which may be another indication that their relationship was more than friendship and quite possibly physical. david

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    #32139

    LaChandra
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    Personally I don’t have a problem with gays at all. I have a problem with to much public affection from straight and gay people. I don’t think it’s appropiate for the watchful eyes of little kids to see people gropping each other. A kiss hello or bye is cool, but the rubbing and the deep throat stuff in very offensive.

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    Name : LaChandra, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : Black/African American, Religion : Baptist, Age : 27, City : Austin, State : TX, Country : United States, Education level : 2 Years of College, Social class : Middle class, 
    #23187

    Rob29700
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    Nate- I don’t know exactly where you are coming from with all this devil stuff. I Look at it this way, men are more likely to commit robery or murder than women are. Is it because the ‘devil’ tempts men more, or is it as I feel, that men generraly have more testosterone than women, which in turn MAKES them more aggresive. Also, poorer people are more likely to commit these same ‘sins’ than the rich. Is it because the ‘devil’ some how targets them more, as you are suggesting, or is it because of their rough social-economic exisitance that causes them to commit these so-called ‘sins’ or crimes. It the same thing with being Gay. If you got the right ‘set of genes,’ you’ll be Gay. It’s a lifestyle that can’t be helped and people like yourself should get off their high-horse and realize it.

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    Name : Rob29700, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Gay, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Agnostic, Age : 18, City : Enfield, State : CT, Country : United States, Social class : Middle class, 
    #19634

    Heather
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    I think it depends on how much affection is shown in public. A simple kiss, hug, holding hands, even grabbing ass is okay with me. But I don’t think I’d like to see either gay or straight people really sucking face or grabing the front area. (Especially in a restaurant)

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    Name : Heather, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : believe in a few different things, Age : 26, City : Turner, State : IL, Country : United States, Education level : High School Diploma, Social class : Middle class, 
    #34251

    David
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    No where in the original languages that the bible was written in is there even a word for sexual orientation much less homosexual. If people were not so ready to just believe the hate that has been perpetuated by so many misinformed preachers of God’s Word, they would at least read the bible for what it really says and in the context it was written in. People can say, ‘oh the bible says this and that’ but unless you yourself have studied it in an unbiased manner you will never know to whom Paul, Moses and other prophets wrote these books too in their time and age. Paul wrote about many abominations found within the Roman society where people had abandoned worship of the one true God for pagan religions where sex was included in the religious rituals. And anywhere were he refers to homosexual sex and hetero-sex as negative things it was mostly in the context of the pagan religion sex rituals where people who where straight had abandoned their heterosexuality to be part of this evil religion that had denied God and his principals to the nth degree. Some people will say well what about levitical law. Same situation…Moses and God established the laws to distinguish the Jews from the pagans that lived all around them. As far as obeying Levitical law..As Christians we break it everyday and thus we must live by Grace and not by the law. No where in the bible are committed same sex relationships put down or condemned. the bible also has accounts of same sex relationships such as David and Johnathan. At a particular point when Johnathan dies, the Bible says the King David said {2 Sam 25-26} Jonathan lies slain upon thy high places, I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan; very pleasant have you been to me, your love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women’. In the society of ancient Israel, it was not considered proper for a man and woman to have a platonic relationship. Men and women rarely spoke to each other in public. A woman’s role was to provide for the needs of her husband – sexually and for bearing children. Men and women did not sit around and chat about the day’s politics as we may today. Thus, David’s only relationship with women would have been sexual in nature, then he must be referring to sexual love here as he speaks of Jonathan. It would not make sense in this verse to compare platonic love for a man with sexual love for a woman; they are two completely different phenomenon

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