Whites, dogs and minorities

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    Kristina26242
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    I’m amazed at how hypocritical white culture can be when it comes to animal rights and human rights, especially for minorities. Why will whites go through extraordinary lengths to ensure a domesticated animal is not abused, but don’t even bat an eye at the thought of innocent Iraqi children getting bombed in the war? Of course not all are pro-war, but many still seem to have apathetic attitudes toward the plight of violence against other races, especially committed by the police against African Americans. It seems so easy for a large portion of white Americans to assume that the often barbaric beatings, killings and torture by the police are done in self-defense.

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    Name : Kristina26242, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : Black/African American, Religion : Christian, Age : 22, City : Washington, State : DC, Country : United States, Occupation : Transcriber, Education level : 2 Years of College, Social class : Middle class, 
    #23043

    Joey29383
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    I am not sure if you really asked a question but I will try to answer. Let’s start with animal cruelty. Animals do not have the ability to do anything about what is affecting them. Animals, just like children, cannot stand up for themselves, and many people, not just whites, will stand up for them. In the case Iraq, nobody wants to bomb children, but the alternative is far worse. Please do not tell me you would rather have the children of Iraq grow up under the regime of a murderous, torturing, rapist dictator. That is far crueler than sitting back and doing nothing. As for police beating African Americans, or any other race, there is a rule that one can follow that will ensure there will be no more beatings. The rule is do not break the law! And if an individual does choose to break the law, then the second rule is do not fight the police! If all people adhere to these two simple rules, police beatings will rapidly decline.

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    Name : Joey29383, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Age : 34, City : Troy, State : MI, Country : United States, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class, 
    #39186

    Sierra
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    While I disagree that animal rights people don’t care about minorities’ struggles or the peace struggle (at least where I live), I think it is simply ignorance and indoctrination. People are brought up with images of Latinos, Arabs and blacks, etc. as being thugs, not the norm or ignorant. We are also brought up to think that the government, despite its racist past, can do no wrong, and that our boys in blue are shining examples of America and will keep everything normal for normal Americans – that they couldn’t possibly do wrong. People don’t want to face up to the fact that the police might be more aggressive toward those who deviate from society (i.e. blacks or gays ). I think people can sympathize more with a cute little puppy or bunny rather than with someone who deviates from their own perceptions of what is considered normal.

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    Name : Sierra, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Bisexual, Race : Hispanic/Latino (may be any race), Age : 17, City : Austin, State : TX, Country : United States, Education level : Less than High School Diploma, 
    #23117

    Andres
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    In the case of Iraqis, it is the same as in Kosovo or Afghanistan or Haiti or wherever. Few Americans seem to give a damn about foreigners. They all seem to say ‘Ah well, Muslims are terrorists anyway’ or ‘They’re just Commies.’ I know many in the ‘bomb-a-foreigner’ crowd will write in about how ‘justified’ the Iraq war is, but even if it is, no one gives a rat’s pa-toot about some ‘other’ who they quickly dismiss as ‘collateral damage.’ If Americans can agree about the tragedy of 9/11, why can’t they when bombs fall elsewhere as well?

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    Name : Andres, Gender : M, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Catholic, Age : 25, City : Chambersburg, State : PA, Country : United States, 
    #38225

    Matthew
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    I was not for the war and am against violence toward innocent people. What I have a hard time with is why so many black people condem the police for being rough with car thieves, rapists, drug dealers and other criminals. If you are breaking the law and threatening other people, your right to being treated nicely is voided. I have often wondered why the black community doesn’t support the police more in ridding their communities of thugs, murderers, rapists and all forms of thieves. Instead, they rally around someone mistreated while commiting a crime. Why is this?

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    Name : Matthew, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Gay, Race : White/Caucasian, Age : 44, City : New York City, State : NY, Country : United States, 
    #15703

    Amber31556
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    I think there are several reasons for whites turning a blind eye to the plight of minorities:

    1). People want to believe there is justice in the world (and especially in the United States), so they don’t want to admit that brutality against minorities is the fault of the people in power. It’s easier to blame the victim.
    2). In public schools, we are taught there is equal opportunity. Our history books lie to us and teach us that everyone has the same chances, regardless of race or sex, and students, because this is what they are taught, believe this. That’s why, when they hear about police brutality against African Americans, for example, so many white people say things like, ‘Oh yeah, playing the race card, when really he’s just a lawbreaker.’
    3). White people don’t receive as many glimpses into the corruption and brutality of the power structure as minorities do, so they tend to regard stories about it with disbelief. By the same token, minorities, because they mistrust the system, may be less respectful and cooperative with the police, who are used to fawning, friendly and cooperative behavior from whites. When the police see that minorities distrust and disrespect them, it makes them even more brutal.

    As for the other part of your question, concerning why some whites go to extraordinary lengths to ensure a domesticated animal is not abused: My opinion is that it’s because a dog or cat is more human to isolated white people than those ‘scary minorities.’ Also, perhaps it’s because they think minorities have acheived equal opportunity and are not discriminated against anymore.

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    Name : Amber31556, Gender : F, Race : White/Caucasian, Age : 30, City : Somewhere, State : AK, Country : United States, Education level : High School Diploma, Social class : Lower class, 
    #40328

    genome
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    Dogs are man’s best friend. Black people aren’t. That sounds meaner than I intend, but the simple fact is, some minorities in the United States are not the most endearing people to be around. Blacks are the most racist group in America right now. Would you keep offering olive branches to someone who attacks you every time you do, calls you ‘cracka’ and generally tries to intimidate you?

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    Name : genome, City : New York, State : NY, Country : United States, 
    #44711

    James D.
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    Your premises (that “whites” don’t care about Iraqi children or police torturing civilians) bespeak anger and prejudice on your part. None of the issues you raise are as simple as you make them out to be. Your distinction between the feelings of whites vs. those of African Americans is far from obvious (do you have evidence that most blacks are against the war?). Generally speaking, Americans feel compassion for helpless animals who are abused for no reason, but feel less compassion for criminals who don’t obey the law or the police. Americans are outraged by police who act like criminals, but forgiving toward police who may cross a blurry line while enforcing the law. Pro-war Americans have no animosity toward children, black, white or Iraqi, but believe war sometimes to be necessary (for example, while some Iraqi children undoubtedly died from American bombs, millions of Iraqis, all of whom were at one time children, died under Saddam’s regime). Finally, though it seems to you that many whites are too willing to believe police act in self-defense, it seems to me that many blacks are too willing to forgive black criminals.

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    #24753

    Emma25398
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    Kristina, have you not noticed that two of Bush’s Cabinet members backing this administration’s folly in Iraq are African American? I have attended many anti-war (and anti-LAPD incidentally) rallies in my town. Unless the cause is specifically African American, I rarely see very many people of color in attendance. Perhaps the question should be, ‘Why don’t African Americans seem to feel compassion for any race other than their own?’ Virtually every protester at my last rally was white, Asian or Arab. Don’t African Americans care about Iraqi children?

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    #37302

    Robert29543
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    Do you really think all caucasian’s care about animal rights? I would like to think some minorities do as well. Do you really think most caucasians dont care if innocent babies are killed in Iraq or anywhere for that matter? You know someting, I care. Do you really think minorities are the only ones abused by the police? Your wrong again. There are minorities who are animal rights activists, there are minorities who support the war in Iraq and there are minority police officers who are abusive and even torturous to young caucasians. I know that last one by experience. So please take a second look at your views and try not to be so stereotypical. If your going to be racist why dont you get more specific. Say you are racist against white irish people or italian whitte people or hungarian white people. Or I think in your case you are the most judgemental to the people in power. So please be more specific. As it turns out in my opinion, you just being an individual, have been more hypocritical then most mass groups of people could be.

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    #24538

    Seamus28248
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    Most people who preach the same kind of animal rights you seem to be speaking about are generally leftist-oriented in their political outlook and would probably be among the first to be vocal at an anti-war or anti-cop protest. There are a lot more of them at protests for slain black victims than the number of blacks at protests for slain white victims. I assume you must know some people who do feel this way, however, and I think I know why they would react this way. Frankly, getting worked up about Iraqi or inner-city black victims goes against their social ‘interests.’ Iraq’s former leader is a U.S. enemy, and blacks regularly rob, rape and kill whites at a rate that far exceeds the white-on-black street crime rate. A tough line against these populations is beneficial to white Americans for their own safety.

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    #15598

    Jessica
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    I’m the perfect person to answer your question, because I am one of the hypocrites you refer to, although I am not necessarily the extreme ‘pro-war’ type. The main reason I am more concerned with the welfare of domesticated animals in this country than with children in other countries is that human beings of any age have more control over their own destiny than any domesticated animal. Second, there are many more people who care about the plight of children than the plight of animals – I feel like the animals need my support more. And finally, as a historian, I must concede that war, for whatever reason, does not discriminate according to age. It’s the unfortunate reality.

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    #32531

    Surely you jest! I don’t know whether to laugh out loud or curse you out for such an outlandish statement! White in this country have historically treated Blacks like garbage…and we don’t have to take this back to slavery, either…let’s go back to the horrendous Tuskegee Experiments where those Black men were left to fester in syphillis, while doctors lied to them and told them they were being treated. They were, in fact, being ‘watched’ to see how the disease would ‘progress’. And how, until former President Bill Clinton publicly acknowledged and apologized on behalf of the U.S. for such an atrocity, no one U.S. official never acknowledge this. Let’s talk about how an innocent young man like Yusef Hawkins ended up dead. What crime did HE commit? Oh, right…he went to see about a used car. Let’s talk about how the FINE citizens of Bensonhurst held up watermelon rinds and empty fried chicken boxes, as his grieving parents led a silent march in protest of their son’s death; a gifted young man who was to start college that fall. But he never got the chance, did he???Let’s talk about Amadu Diallo, shot at 41 times; let’s talk about Abner Loumina, who as I write this, has no spleen, thanks to New York’s ‘finest’ or should I say, ‘fiendish’. Let’s talk about Michael Stewart, a teen who ended up dead at the hands of NY’s finest, after being arrested for defacing a subway car. Is death now the penalty for defacing public property? You know what you can do with your olive branch.

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    #19559

    ‘Please do not tell me you would rather have the children of Iraq grow up under the regime of a murderous, torturing, rapist dictator.’ I wouldnt but the American government, until 1999, did. Before then their position was we had to support Saddam in order to preserve what they called ‘stability.’ It was not until 1999 that our govt (under Clinton) officially took the position of supporting ‘regime change.’ Interestingly enough, the purported ‘crimes’ that US officials are constantly crowing about, such as gassing the Kurds and crushing the Kurdish and Shia rebellions (which we encouraged), were done with OUR support (allied in the former case, tacidly in the latter). Id say our government defintitley chose what you consider to be the ‘far crueler’ alternative.

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    #34041

    BV
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    Can you please list all the ways that prove that non-whites are more sympathetic to the plight of other races than white people are? Was the percentage of blacks protesting the war in Iraq higher than the percentage of whites? Are successful black famillies donating more money to help children in third world countries? Are successful black families more likely to adopt children from poor countries like Combodia? Do non-white countries like Japan donate more money to UNICEF than predominantly white countries? What about political correctness? Why would white culture promote PC views, if it didn’t give a rat’s ass about people of color? The media is extremely PC when it comes to reporting interracial crimes between whites and blacks. While most of the major news shows focused on the horrendous murder of Amadou Diallo, has anyone heard so much as a peep about the black Carrs brothers in Wichita? Stricken with ‘white guilt’, the mostly Liberal producers of these shows won’t air stories like the Wichita Masacre or the 2001 Mardi Gras fest in Philadelphia because these stories depict blacks in an unfavorable light. In case you haven’t heard about the Phillie riot: a large gang of black youths, at Mardi Gras, targeted and beated up random white people on the street. A white man by the name Kris Kime, was killed while trying to rescue a white woman who was being trampled by a black mob. The PC Media cautiously avoids making stories like this go national and if they print it they often hide the race of the attackers. The fact that the Media goes to such great lengths to supress these black-on-white murder stories while focusing more on white-on-black cases tells me that the PC Media is concerned with black people’s feelings. But if the story was about a bunch of white thugs stomping a black man to death , you know the story would have went national in a heartbeat, the fact that the attackers were white wouldn’t be hidden and Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Kweisi Mfume would all have had something to say about it. Unfortunately, when black men murder and rape white people, black leaders and the whole black community remain suspiciously silent. Maybe you’re more sympathetic to your own plight or the plight of Iraqi children, than the plight of white victims.

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