Gay men and gay women

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    Dre32503
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    Why in society is it more acceptable for two females to be outwardly gay than it is for two males?

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    Name : Dre32503, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Bisexual, Race : Black/African American, Religion : Baptist, Age : 23, City : Nashville, State : TN Country : United States, Occupation : Banker, Education level : Technical School, Social class : Middle class, 
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    Karen
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    It is more acceptable for two women because most societies are more comfortable with women expressing 'regular' affection, whereas men are not encouraged to be affectionate. Add the sexual aspect, and voila...

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    Name : Karen, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Lesbian, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Agnostic, Age : 42, City : Boston, State : MA Country : United States, Occupation : administration, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class, 
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    Norman108
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    The increased difficulty some societies - especially some Western socities - have with male affection and male bonding is based on the emphasis we put on limiting and controlling men in these societies. Male affection toward men is (wrongly) seen as homosexual, so homosexuality in these societies is especially vilified. In other words, to make men into good drones and soldiers, it is important to increase their competition, decrease their empathy and limit their love for other men. Generally, the more warlike, controlling and perhaps capitalistic societies (with few notable exceptions) severely limit the affection allowed by men toward other men. Often this is done through legal strictures, but is always done also through ridicule and shaming of men's affection toward other men.

    Male's self love, also potentially a strong aspect of homosexuality, is also limited for similar reasons. Neither men loving themselves nor men loving other men well supports the structures of these societies - and is in fact intensely threatening to their status quo.

    I'll allow someone else to write about the specifically increased interest in female-to-female-oriented sexuality in these same societies.

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    Name : Norman108, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Gay, Disability : have AIDS, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Spiritual Agnostic, Age : 45, City : San Rafael, State : CA Country : United States, Occupation : student, Education level : 2 Years of College, Social class : Lower middle class, 
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    Matt T.
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    I'm actually not sure that this is a completely accurate assesment on our culture's views of sexuality. The usual image of two women engaged in same-sex sexual behavior is a very male/heterosexual projection. The women are usually very feminine, and dressed in somewhat provacative attire in a setting that is very non-threatening to men. This is because same sex behavior involving two women is a long-time heterosexual male fantasy. Oddly, the reverse, two men engaged in sexual behavior, doesn't typically have the same effect on heterosexual women. Since heterosexual men have historically controlled society, the perameters by which we measure the acceptability of certain behaviors are largely set by heterosexual men. Real lesbians don't express their sexuality to please men, and are often, therefore, seen as quite threatening to straight men. I would argue that that gay men and lesbians both face challenges in this area and that it is no more acceptable by society to be lesbian than it is to be a gay man.

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    Name : Matt T., Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Gay, Race : Black/African American, Religion : Christian, Age : 25, City : Valley Village, State : CA Country : United States, Occupation : Student, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Upper middle class, 
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    Eddie
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    I think that when men see two men together they are threatened and offended. After much thought and discussion most I talk to believe it is based in sexism. Men see gay men as being 'woman-like' and are offended by it. They see women as taking a man's role which they see as alternative, but not surprising since they think being manly is optimal.

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    Name : Eddie, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Lesbian, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Methodist, Age : 39, City : Austin, State : TX Country : United States, Occupation : IT Tech, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class, 
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    Omelio
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    It might be a horrible thing to say but I think one aspect of this attitude is based on the notion that 'masculine' traits are superior to 'feminine' ones. So that when two women aspire to be 'masculine' it is endearing as long as they don't try it with men. When a man aspires to be 'feminine' its like he's choosing to be inferior. You'll find that men are much less offended by homosexuality when both men are 'masculine' than they are if one or both are 'feminine' and similarly you'll notice that men arousal towards gay women is also limited to those women's inability to achieve 'masculinity'. And since those who have negative feeling toward any homosexual tend to believe that homosexuals are making a choice to be that way they believe that a man's choice to be gay is more permanent than a woman's. This idea is due to the notion that oral sex is not sex and that therefore a woman can never truly please another woman and that eventually she'll realize she needs a man. A man on the other hand can do everything with another man that they can do with a woman plus recieve anal sex. This extra aspect is what most men focus on and it is another reason why they see a man as seeking inferiority. Because anal sex as a taboo is often about subjugating your partner. To perform this act which has no purpose but to please the man inserting and prove that he can convince you to do it for him. Part of the reason men pursue it with women is to experience the pleasure of dominating especially when they feel the woman has chosen to be dominated by that particular man.

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    Name : Omelio, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Gay, Race : Black/African American, Religion : Theist, Age : 24, City : Philadelphia, State : PA Country : United States, Occupation : Draftman, Education level : 2 Years of College, Social class : Lower middle class, 
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    Dina M.
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    When it comes to men people know that anal sex is probably taking place. Not only does most of society find that to be emasculating but even when it's heterosexual some find it unnatural. If women are having anal sex together with the help of toys no one knows- they have other ways to be intimate thus no one assumes any different.

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    Name : Dina M., Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Bisexual, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : unsure, City : Chicago, State : IL Country : United States, Occupation : Poet, Education level : Less than High School Diploma, Social class : Middle class, 
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    Dwanny
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    So many ppl still see a gay couple as one is the man and one is the woman, and men are not allowed to show any kind of feminine behavior. Christianity has a lot to do with peoples' comfort level too, as it teaches homosexuality is wrong and sinful.

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    Name : Dwanny, Gender : F, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Pagan, Age : 53, City : Springtown, State : TX Country : United States, 
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