[anouth]

Why have Caucasions always considered themselves the only group to be Christian and civilized, when they are known throughout the ages to have been the group that has stolen, killed, raped, pilfered and lied, among other things, to get where they are today? Not the entire group, but a large majority. Examples: Taking the land from the Indians, removing Africans and other ethnic groups from their homeland to be their slaves, Hitler and his crimes against the Jews and anyone else who did not agree with him…

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[Cleft]

‘Civilization’ is a fantasy mankind has always believed itself to embody, even though no ‘civilization’ has ever displayed anything other that animalistic behavior. Far from being THE group that has stolen, killed, raped, pilfered and lied, stolen land and owned slaves, Caucasians are just the latest to top the game. The inhumanity you mention is the earmark of such ‘great’ civilizations as the Egyptians, Mesopotamians, Greco-Romans, Europeans, countless African Tribal Monarchies, the Aztecs, Olmeks and the Mayans, and now the Anglo-Americans. Each one of these thought their ‘civilization’ represented the apex of human potential, only to be overthrown by the peoples they oppressed, who then took their place as oppressor. So it happened with Caucasians. The Romans, taking their cue from the Egyptians, moved north, conquering, raping, sullying the bloodline, imposing their religion and language, etc. When Northern Europe was fully ‘civilized,’ ending with the British, there was nowhere else to go in Europe, so we went back south and east. I sometimes wonder how it is we are known as History’s Most Heinious Slavers, and not the people who ended slavery. So to answer your question: ‘Civilization’ IS raping, stealing, killing and enslaving – and hoisting a flag up when you’re done so everyone knows who did it.

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[Didi]

Unfortunately, I think your response was yet another convoluted, Eurocentric attempt at self-delusion and ‘red-herring-ing.’ While there have been patterns of atrocity in every continent and every culture, the atrocities committed by Europeans have had the most devasting, all-pervasive and detrimental effects; NO other ‘civlization’ in history has elevated atrocity into the perverted, sinister, efficient, consuming art form that Europeans have. Almost every social ill and international misery is related or a direct result of Eurocentric culture: capitalism and the resultant class system, pollution, firearms, culture-erasing, mechanized warfare and overpopulation (which likely results from European ‘advances’ in medicine that keep people alive). A pattern emerges not related to Egyptians or Aztecs or African monarchies – who, of course, did not control or dominate as much land or world culture as Europeans – but to the European domination and subsequent perversion of the entire world, nearly every square inch, thanks to European domination in technology and media. Instead of trying to skirt the issues in an attempt to evade reality, maybe people of European descent should recognize the flaws of European ideology in all its forms. By the way, whites, who you claim ended slavery in its most visible form, create new kinds of enslavements. The most pervasive is denial, blindness and the pretense of amnesia.

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[Tyrian]

There’s a lot more to this than you might think. It’s easy to look at the history of the world as having occurred within the last several centuries (or decades), but don’t fall into that trap. Every situation is unique, rather than part of a trend. Throughout history, slavery is easily as widespread and universal as war. Slavery is generally the hallmark of successful civilization. The Egyptians are an excellent example, as are the Turks, Romans, English and, obviously, the Americans. It’s a testament to the singularity of Democracy that Americans more or less ended slavery. As for who was subjugated by the ‘white man’s burden,’ it was once whites. There are a lot of adherents of ancient European religions out there (though many are virulent racists), and they’re just as mad at Christianity as most Afrocentrics (many of whom are also virulent racists). Also, try not to look at Hitler as the result of years of white anti-Semitism.

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[John29264]

I like how you cited ‘Taking the land from the Indians’ as a reason for caucasions being uncivilized people throughout the past. Indians (native americans) make us out to be murderers for what our ancestors did when America was still young, but one thing that gets me, is that, when a native american tribe would ‘conquer’ another tribe, by murdering them and taking their land they were ‘fierce warriors,’ but just because we were white and had guns we were labeled genocidal maniacs for wanting to basically, accomplish the same goal many Indian tribes did also. I dont feel I owe any Indians a damn thing for what my ignorant ancestors did in their conquests, which although hurt many people lead to what is now the greatest country ever. I think it’s worth it. Look at the benefits, I think you’ll agree they far outweigh the hardships. Would you rather not have the USA so your ancestors could not have been slaves? I dont see how being a slave at a plantation could have been much worse than living in the middle of Africa. Also, consider that for the longest time, before we enslaved Africans and converted indians, we WERE the only civilized christians. Chinese, Japanese, Egyptians, etc. all had their own beliefs. The only christians were pre-dominately white europeans, and into the 18th century, Americans. So maybe, we feel we are because for the last thousands of years we have been. (I know there are other smaller ethnic groups that have been christian for a very long time, but it was dominantly white europeans.) And, another factor that probably contributes is how the MANY blacks act in public. Most are loud, obnoxious and annoying. MANY blacks scream and yell in public, have no shame or respect for any others, cut in line, and behave worse than my 13 year old brother. Much of this is very uncivilized behavior. Now IM not saying all black people do it, they dont. Its just that a very very large portion of them do, then wonder why there’s so much racism in America. Its pretty funny actually, but i bet if most blacks didnt behave in such an ignorant and stupid manner, a lot of racism would disappear.

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[Anonymous]

The main thing is that the white/Western/Christian civilization has meticulously documented most of its atrocities. The voluminous history written by whites about white misdeeds such as colonialism, slavery, etc. dwarfs any similar works by any other race. Had other groups documented even a fraction of their own misdeeds (only to be read, studied and analyzed centuries, indeed millenia, later) as whites have documented about theirs, you could make the same case against them. We also shouldn’t assume that other groups wouldn’t have done the same things if they would have had the technology and weapons.

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[Mara22333]

Look at your own damn people. You rape,and kill more than anyone but get nowhere. If we had not civilized N.America another people would have. I dont think that the Italians would have related to natives any differently. the problems between whites and non whites arise only when the non whites see what the whites have and have accomplished and have no idea how to do the same things.

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