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Your question is as similar as my asking, ‘If Christians are enlightened, why are they so ignorant.’ Do you see the parallels. I hope so. IF you would take the time to research, scientific information, not Christian biased information, you would find that homosexuality is experienced in most mammalian forms. As a Gay person, I find your question very much laden with a predisposition towards putting me down than trying to answer a valid question you might have. I just hope Y-Forum will give my answer the same light of day they gave your question.
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Name : Matthew, Gender : M, Race : White/Caucasian, Age : 45, City : New York, State : NY, Country : United States,This seems to be a common misconception among people who have not studied much biology and haven’t had much exposure to farm animal breeding. In fact, biologists have known for centuries that there are animals who engage in homosexual activity. Farmers who breed sheep, cattle, etc. also know that there are some individual rams and bulls that show no interest at all in ewes and cows and instead prefer to mount other males. They can’t afford to deny it because they have to take into account that such animals cannot be successfully bred. Your post suggests you have problems with gay people, and would like to justify your dislike by suggesting that they are unnatural. Since this is factually incorrect (and if you do any research into the topic beyond anti-gay websites you will find that you don’t have to take my word for it) I suggest that you need to find some other form of self-justification if you have any interest in truth. I’ll point out that, though I find your homophobia disturbing, there is no inherent reason that you need to feel that something is ‘right’ just because animals do it. So perhaps you can make a 180 degree turnaround and claim that homosexuality is wrong because it means giving it to base animal instincts. Or, you might take this opportunity to wonder whether your dislike of gays is based on anything rational. in reply to Mesg ID 21200045453
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Name : SW, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Lesbian, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Pagan, Age : 31, City : Berkeley, State : CA, Country : United States, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,Obviously, you did not grow up on a farm. I would suggest reading Bruce Bagemihl’s book: Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality & Natural Diversity. In his 10 year research, he found that a percentage of over 200 species are homosexual – orangatangs, whales, warthogs, fruitbats, big horn rams, etc. I mean, a dog will hump your leg if he’s horny. But, frankly, I don’t understand your question. Animals don’t cook their food, speak English, dance, write poetry, play football, drive cars or wear clothes. Are you suggesting that all of these things are ‘unnatural’ because you do not see them in the animal kingdom? I honestly don’t follow your logic.
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Name : Craig, Gender : M, Race : White/Caucasian, Age : 37, City : Minneapolis, State : MN, Country : United States,If man is supposed to be a “higher” animal, why do homosexuals engage in an activity, such as homosexual intercourse, that even animals do not practice?
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Name : Caryn, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Christian, Age : 38, City : Denton, State : TX, Country : United States, Occupation : Paralegal, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,I can tell you haven’t done very much animal research. The fact is that homosexuality is not a ‘human’ thing. Species as simple as tiny invertebrates all the way to chimpanzees display homosexual behavior. There are many scientists who make their living studying the genetics and endocrinology behind homosexuality in rats. They have shown that alterations in certain hormone concentrations can induce homosexual tendencies (i.e., males mounting males). I was just at a meeting where a graduate student had found evidence that a certain pesticide (methoprene)can cause homosexuality in copepods (insect-like creatures who live in the ocean). If you have access to a college library, I advise you to do some reading up on this subject.
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Name : Tish24626, Gender : F, Race : Black/African American, City : Newark, State : NJ, Country : United States, Occupation : graduate student, Education level : Over 4 Years of College,Your premise is faulty because animals do engage in homosexual behavior. A friend of mine in the Air Force who handled guard dogs had more than one dog that engaged in homosexual acts.
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Name : BOB23118, City : Kilgore, State : TX, Country : United States,Try reading ‘Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity ‘ by Bruce Bagemihl. It puts to rest the myth of your question. Male gorillas courting and copulating with each other…grizzly bear families with two mothers…same-sex pairs of flamingos…Homosexuality in its myriad forms has been scientifically documented in more than 450 species of mammals, birds, reptiles, insects, and other animals worldwide. He also documents how scientists have sometimes been afraid to report their observations for fear of recrimination from a hidebound (and homophobic) academia. It’s out in paperback. But if you don’t want to challenge yourself that way, check out this story on CNN: (http://cnn.com/NATURE/9909/18/gay.vulture.parents/index.html). It shows how two gay vultures make better surrogate parents as the zoo tries to help out an endangered species.
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Name : Michae, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Gay, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Methodist, Age : 38, City : Houston, State : TX, Country : United States, Occupation : Intranet Manager, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Upper middle class,Actually, if you do a little research into animal behavior you will find that many species do exhibit homo-sexual behavior, not just homo-sapiens.
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Name : cheryl32337, Sexual Orientation : Lesbian, City : new haven, State : CT, Country : United States, Education level : Over 4 Years of College,You are incorrect that animals don’t exhibit homosexual behavior. My dog was a lesbian. She refused to couple with the male dogs we tried to breed her with and instead frequently tried to initiate copulation with our other female dog. Furthermore, there are many species-wide examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom. Pygmy chimpanzees, for example, engage in sex play with members of either gender.
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Name : Robin29589, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, City : Pittsburgh, State : PA, Country : United States, Education level : Over 4 Years of College,Actually, there are over 400 species in the animal kingdom that have been observed to practice homosexual behavior. I have to admit that I find the premise of your question disturbing. I think people with a homosexual orientation should not be reduced to nothing more than their means of sexual expression. People who are homosexual live ordinary lives every day and are more like people who are heterosexual than we are different from you. My sexual orientation means much more than the gender of the person with whom I share a sexual experience. My emotional, psychological, spiritual and sexual bonding is with women, and I did not place sexual bonding in the last place in that list by accident. I think one of the ways people who don’t like or understand people who are homosexual try to justify their feelings is by attempting to dehumanize us and demonize us. That is why we often hear ourselves compared to pedophiles, necrophiles, rapists and other criminals. That is also why we continue to hear about some mythical ‘gay agenda’ we are all supposedly pledged to ‘force’ on the heterosexual population and why we are accused of trying to ‘teach homosexuality’ to children. I think you can’t ‘teach homosexuality’ to anyone; either you are a homosexual person or you are not. We are born with a homosexual orientation; no one taught it to us because it can’t be taught. Another myth about us is there is a ‘gay lifestyle.’ My lifestyle is that of a middle-aged suburban woman who is a career civil servant. I’d like to think you would reconsider comparing human beings to lesser animals. That is, after all, what we are . . . human beings with the same emotions as every human being experiences.
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Name : Kathy26677, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Lesbian, Race : White/Caucasian, Age : 48, City : Washington, State : DC, Country : United States, Occupation : Systems Analyst, Education level : 2 Years of College,Homosexual behavior occurs in almost every species. It’s been thoroughly documented among various kinds of birds and primates. You can look it up. Further, I don’t get your logic. Are you saying we’re not ‘higher’ because we do something that animals don’t? That makes no sense. We write and speak and make music and make Furby dolls, unlike other animals — does that mean we’re not ‘higher?’
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Name : Andrew, Race : White/Caucasian, Age : 35, City : Huntington, State : NY, Country : United States, Occupation : Reporter, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,Humans engage in quite a few activities that animals do not practice, one of which is sex for the purpose of pleasure rather than reproduction. And sex for pleasure and love is as much a heterosexual practice as it is a homosexual practice. Homosexual activity has also been observed in a number of species of animals. So, there’s really no correlation between sexuality and ‘animalism’ as you seem to be inferring.
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Name : Jim C., Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Gay, Race : White/Caucasian, Age : 35, City : Dayton, State : OH, Country : United States, Occupation : Engineer, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Upper middle class,First of all, your question shows an amount of ignorance. Homosexuals do NOT choose to be that way. Do you honestly think that someone would choose to be ridiculed all their life for just trying to be who they are? As far as the sex act homosexuals perform, they should have to answer to no one for their actions. What they do in the privacy of thier bedrooms is nobody’s business
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Name : Kassie, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Agnostic, Age : 28, City : Albany, State : NY, Country : United States, Occupation : Sales, Education level : 2 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,It is my understanding that homosexual behavior does often occur in animal behavior. I had this very same debate with my brother in law. I did some research on the topic and found out that it does happen.
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Name : Samm29444, Gender : F, Race : Black/African American, Age : 35, City : Boston, State : MA, Country : United States, Occupation : artist, Social class : Middle class,Of any animal population, an approximate 10 percent is homosexual. Mammals of many types (especially primates) have been observed in homosexual activity.
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Name : Jane20952, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Catholic, Age : 30, City : Sacramento, State : CA, Country : United States, Occupation : Educator, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Upper class,
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