Anti-animal behavior?

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    Steven27710
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    I have worked with animals all my life and am a qualified zoologist. I have known many homosexual animals, dogs, cats and even a female pigeon! It really is quite common in the animal kingdom. Even Desmond Morris has had to review that part of his famous book The Naked Ape. If you look at some of our closest relatives the pygmy chimps (bonobos), you will see that sexual encounters for them are just a question of reaffirming friendship. If you wanted to humanize their behavior you could call them all naturally bisexual. By the way, the animal kingdom is hardly a good place to start if you want to "prove" why we should have specific morals.

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    #32348

    michael
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    For starters, studies have shown that animals do participate in homosexual behavior. Also, humans engage in a number of activities that animals do not, like organized religion for example. Not to mention... oh... I dunno, love. So, just because animals don't do it, does that mean that we shouldn't do it either?

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    #44388

    Thom24770
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    Homosexual activity is widely spread and well documented across the animal kingdoms. In Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity (published in 1999), scientist Bruce Bagemihl demonstrates that some animals - just like some humans - find homosexuality as their natural way of being. Throughout the book's 512 pages, Bagemihl piles up the evidence and addresses the question, "Why haven't scientists reported this behavior?" No surprise here: Scientists were afraid to share their discoveries because they knew that the evidence clashed with others' religious beliefs. And they knew that the offended would ruin the career of any scientist so rash as to tell an unwelcome truth. Or the scientists were so determined to find what they wanted that they ignored their own data. Thus Bagemihl places his own career on the line to document homosexual behavior across the animal kingdoms - from whiptail lizards to bottlenose dolphins, flamingoes, vampire bats and giraffes, bears and our fellow primates. This behavior is freely chosen, not the result - as some would hope - of force or the lack of available partners of the other sex. So, it's not just Heather who has two mommies but some grizzly bear cubs, too. Let's not limit God and her creation. Homosexuality is an integral part of life.

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    #14725

    Sheherizod
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    Well, the fact is that animals do practice homosexuality. It occurs with some frequency among everything from seagulls to apes to mice. But the bigger question is, can we really only justify our behavior if it mirrors the animal kingdom? If that's true, we're going to have to give up on a lot of things. Kissing, for example. Or, say, the Internet.

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    #28653

    Roger D.
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    Your question seems to be based on an assumption that since animals don't practice homosexual intercourse there must be something wrong with it. If you follow that reasoning then there are many other forms of human expression that animals do not share - speech, religion, marriage, music, theatre, arts, waging war, law, laughing - among others. Would you ask why as "higher" animals we engage in these practices as well? I see all these practices as what makes us human. Homosexual intercourse is simply another form of human expression, one that is just a valid as any other form.

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    #36690

    Jen30984
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    Wow. This is a very angry question. Have you had a bad experience, or are you closed minded to the possibility of homosexuality as normal and beautiful? Think about it this way: as a 'higher' animal, man has the ability to think out feelings, emotions and to sort out instinct from action. And, you might want to chek with your local vet or zoologists; I know there are some 'lower' animals that practice homosexual behaviour.

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    #39823

    Tommy24156
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    First of all, there is a substantial incidence of homosexual behavior among other animals. Next, presumably you have difficulty regarding human beings as 'higher' animals because of the decision of some to practice homosexual behavior. The real question is not why people generally regard themselves as 'higher animals' in spite of homosexuality, but rather why you equate homosexual behavior as beneath that which is acceptable for higher animals. Personally, if I had to compile a list of behaviors that suggested that human beings are not as intelligent and evolved as we tell ourselves that we are, I would write volumes before same-sex preference ever presented itself as a potential example. Finally, when has sex of any kind ever, ever been about the intellect? Whether it's a man and a woman, two men, or an orangutan and a Palm Pilot, it's more about drive than it is a cerebral matter, isn't it?

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    #38166

    J-Speigel
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    Firstly, even humans are animals - primates, in fact. Secondly, and more importantly, homosexual activities and relationships, including homosexual/anal intercourse, occurr naturally in the animal kingdom, whether that kingdom includes humans or not. Also, that man is supposed to be a 'higher' animal is a matter of opinion.

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    #31580

    Malik D.
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    I think you will find that dogs,(and I use them because they are commonly known to do so) sometimes engage in a sexual manner towards same sex dogs, simply because they are in that mind set of sexual anxiety. Now, of course they are not aware of what they are doing because of the obvious, but I would say that homosexuals engage in that same manner because thats simply all it is..a sexual anxiety. To make it more the obvious that we are far more intelligent than other animals, that anxiety like any pursued relationship, developes into serious relationships. Surly it goes without saying that our intelligence as a human race, surpasses that of animals, but does not place us above imperfection. To put it bluntly, gay men and women do not surpress the human species intellect simply because their hormones drive them toward same sex relationships.

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    #26148

    John K.
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    Animals do engage in what you might term homosexual intercourse. Get a bunch of male dogs in one place, just out of reach of a female dog in heat. Watch that for an hour, then we can talk.

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    #43306

    Matthew
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    Maybe it is only your Christian perception that homosexuality is a lower behavior form. Maybe it is higher than you can understand.

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    #46896

    Malik D.
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    It goes without saying that our intelligence as a human race surpasses that of animals, but it does not place us above imperfection. To put it bluntly, gay men and women do not suppress their human species intellect simply because their hormones drive them toward same-sex relationships.

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    #36666

    Chuck A.
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    Let's put aside the fact that homosexual behavior has been observed in animal species on many occasions. I think you have answered your own question. The reason many human beings are homosexual is that we are 'higher' animals, just as human beings have so many other unique psychological and social capacities. Homosexual activity in human beings is more than just animalistic 'rutting.' Who I choose to enter into a relationship with and/or be intimate with involves much more than the fact that he is male. It also involves aesthetic appeal, interpersonal 'chemisty' and our ability to communicate in mutually fulfilling terms. And consider how much richer the world is for the presence of lesbians and gay men. As social commentator Fran Lebowitz once remarked, 'If you removed all the homosexuals and homosexual influence from what is generally regarded as American culture, you would be pretty much left with Let's Make a Deal.'

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    #27771

    Mark Bentley
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    I've seen lots of articles out in cyberspace and print that refute your thesis. The higher primates have been observed to exhibit same-sex behavior, as have other species. Placing human kind as a 'higher' animal doesn't stop us from depleting resources, polluting the environment and engaging in genocide - all activities that even animals do not practice. Stretch your vision a bit to include searching out information on topics instead of accepting old canards and cliches about groups of people that are marginalized.

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    #27575

    Rob29694
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    Your question is based on a false premise. Some animals do engage in homosexual activity. You might want to read Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity by Bruce Bagemihl for an extensive overview of the subject. I think the existence of homosexuality in nature is, for the most part, irrelevant to contemporary debates over civic equality and social acceptance for lesbians and gays. Homosexuality occurs in nature, and even if it didn't, we human beings do plenty of 'unnatural' things to which no one objects, which we even consider laudable. Animals don't write symphonies, build hospitals, fly airplanes or wear clothes. Does that make these things wrong? It's equally silly to claim that because homosexuality occurs in nature that we ought to accept it. Murder, rape and cannibalism also occur in nature. We don't accept them. Ultimately, gay equality will be won by appealing to basic moral and political principles of justice, tolerance and equality, not the false standard of 'what is (un)natural is/is not right.'

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