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A strange thing came to my notice and I would like people’s comments on it: On doing a bit of research on the atrocities of Muslim invaders on Hindus, I became interested in their invasions in other parts of the world. I found that Arabs openly enslaved pagan blacks and Christian Ethiopians long before the Portugese took slaves, and they treated them very badly. Europeans were enslaved extensively by the berber states of North Africa. White Christians had their ears cut off, nails ripped off, etc. Their Muslim masters openly called them white Christian dogs and used to say, ‘See how I control my Christian white dogs.’ In addition, there were white female slaves, especially slaves in Turkish harems. These harems even had black, East Asian and Hindu slaves. Many Armenian and Serb freedom fighters had their wives enslaved and sold in Turkish markets after being raped by Ottoman generals, and their children were sold as slaves, too. Another piece of information: when Britain decided to ban transatlantic slavery, black tribal chiefs who had grown fat on the slave trade sent diplomats to London and Paris to oppose the move. Any comments are welcome.
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Name : Anand-M, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : East Indian, Religion : Hindu, Age : 30, City : Ahmednagar, State : NA, Country : India, Occupation : Educator, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,Nice information. I’ve been looking up information on the history of Islam, and this helps a lot. Thanks. Peace and blessings.
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Name : Mike, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : Black/African American, Age : 19, City : Atlanta, State : GA, Country : United States, Occupation : college student, Education level : 2 Years of College, Social class : Upper middle class,This is sheer propaganda. Given how Muslims and Hindus currently dislike one another, the person’s motive for this disinformation is in question, especially considering that he didn’t even ask a question! Given the current religious climate of Islam, it’s very easy to characterize most Muslims as committing great atrocities. I have both Muslim and Hindu friends who can attest to atrocities having been committed by both sides in the Pakistani-Indian conflict. A Hindu posting misinformation about Muslim atrocities is no better than a Muslim doing the same about Hindu atrocities. Both sides are pretty screwed up to have let this conflict escalate into a potential nuclear war.
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Name : Michael-K, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Agnostic, Age : 22, City : New York, State : NY, Country : United States, Occupation : student, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,European merchants were the first involved in the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. Later on, African chiefs, kings and other leaders joined in. It can be argued that Africa would have been left out of the Trans-Atlantic trade if they (kings, chiefs, etc.) had not given up their subjects as slaves. As a result, there was inter and intra-ethnic wars, as well as the European merchants (moreover, slave raiders) capturing innocent Africans. Surely, the chiefs had no idea of the evils the Europeans were doing with their former subjects/enemies. Foremost, they saw their own benefits: in exchange for Africans, they received, among other things, guns and alcohol. Furthermore, they (leaders in Africa) were a part of the global trade.
That said, it is obvious that the Trans-Atlantic trade involved many forms of capitalism, yet at the same time it was the hallmark of inhumanity. If any Trans-Atlantic trader was to know this, it was the Europeans, assuming they had a heart.
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Name : Seymour, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : Black/African American, Age : 21, City : Chicago, State : IL, Country : United States, Occupation : Student, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Upper middle class,You could equally find lists of atrocities committed by Christians on Muslims, eg. the acts of the Knights Hospitaller and Templar in Palestine during the Crusades, or Christian pogroms against Russian Jews, or the current State of Israel with its U.S.-financed military actions against a largely Muslim population in Palestine. I’m sure you’ll find the odd riot in India instigated by Hindus against Muslims. There’s not much point looking for a set of atrocities that fit your own perceptions of the world and ignoring those that don’t suit you. It’s only when we can look beyond the sectarianism and try to understand why we as humans find excuses to do these sorts of things that we’ll move forward.
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Name : Ben S., Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Gay, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : New Age/Metaphysical, Age : 35, City : Melbourne, State : NA, Country : Australia, Occupation : corrections officer, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Lower middle class,While i agree with michael k. that this post is intentionally provacative, the information is indeed acurate. whites, and naturally any other outsider, were treated as dogs and slaves back when the dominant culture was arab/middle-eastern. one might also note that as you’re reading this, arab sudanese are running a slave trade in black sudanese (for all of you who’ve taken islamic names to distance yourselves from whites). i don’t mean to underscore what has been a lot of sh***y anti-arab sentiment lately, but i welcome somebody aknowleging that there is world history that occurred prior to the first time a white pig bought and sold a black man.
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Name : Justin26840, Gender : M, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Atheist, City : Chicago, State : IL, Country : United States, Education level : 2 Years of College, Social class : Lower middle class,Slavery has nothing to do with race. It is simply enslaving the captives/conquered people of a given war or battle. All thru Human history, slavery was one of the primary motives for war and engines of economic advancement. Virtually every major civilization became powerful on the backs of its conquered slaves. Slavery in it many forms [including serfs and indentured servants] was prevalent throught the entire world until just the last few centuries. The steam engine and all the marvelous machinery & inventions of Industrial Revolution lessened the need for slavery and changed the course of human history, which had previously been based in part or whole on slavery.
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Name : Ken Lim, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : Asian, Age : 43, City : Cupertino, State : CA, Country : United States, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Upper class,In response to the category and Jarrett’s comment in particular, slavery is not something that should be associated only with the European-African slave-trade of the colonial era. The institution of slavery goes back farther than that, MUCH farther. The Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Babylonians, and host of others – some of whom came millenia before the Europeans – all had slavery as an element in their societies. Other forms of servitude also come to mind – the institution of serfdom, in particular. To view slavery as the domain of only Europeans is patently incorrect.
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Name : Robert29740, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Age : 24, City : Atlanta, State : GA, Country : United States, Occupation : student, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,This is clearly the product of someone’s fantasies. How, for example, could you know what exact phrases people used to use hundreds of years ago. If you are going to post such inflammatory material, please cite your sources (if any).
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Name : Jamaluddin, Gender : M, Religion : Muslim, City : Bay Area, State : CA, Country : United States, Occupation : Journalist, Education level : 4 Years of College,I would like to point out that the fact that one is of Arab nationality does not make them a Muslim. The word ‘Muslim’ in Arabic is from the root ‘salama,’ which means ‘peace.’ Thus, a Muslim is one who attains peace through submission to the will of God. Many atrocities were committed by Pagan Arabs, and slavery was a widespread practice in Arabia before the advent of Islam. After the revelation of the message of Islam, the Prophet Muhammad regulated slavery, and entreated the people to treat slaves with kindness, and told them of the great reward of freeing a slave. In fact, Muhammad had even given one of his daughters in marriage to one of his freed slaves. So is one who commits such atrocities, according to the definition I gave, a Muslim? Surely one who submits to the will of God does not kill or degrade others in the name of their religion.
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Name : Tariqah, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : Black/African American, Religion : Muslim, Age : 25, City : Toronto, Ontario, State : NA, Country : Canada, Occupation : S.A.H.M., Education level : High School Diploma, Social class : Lower middle class,As I can see you are from India and I have done research of my own. In Hinduism their is a strict caste systems. The lowest class is made of slaves or very cheaply paid servents who were no better than animals. There was also another practice in India called Swati. In which the dead mans wife is burned along his corpse.THis was banned by the Muslim rulers of India such as those who created the most beatiful buildings in India like the Taj Mahal. Turkish people are no different from ‘white’ people. DO you know what happened to Muslims in Ethiopia in the last century. They were driven out of their homes into somalia. And can you please give me sources to this. I hope it isnt the Hindu Nationalistic Party who have burned and destroyed Mosques and CHurches. Such as the Babri Mosque. THe ‘Serb Freedom fighters’ have massacred hundreds of Muslims in the Balkans. Thats why America bombed them. now please dont give your anti- muslim rhetoric and stop fooling the Public. The Tribal black cheifs were probably not Muslim. Tribals practice Tribal African religions not Islam.
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Name : Jenna31020, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Muslim, Age : 22, City : Savannah, State : GA, Country : United States, Occupation : Student, Education level : 2 Years of College, Social class : Upper middle class,Europeans rarely ventured more than a few kilometres from the African coast where they set up forts, ports and processing centres. Many slaves were taken to the Europeans by other Africans who sold their enemies for supplies and equipment the Europeans brought with them. The Africans must have seen the people they sold chained and loaded onto ships. Africans were not entirely innocent. There is still slavery in Africa today with Sudanese Muslims taking Sudanese Christian women and children as sex slaves.
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Name : Mick-J, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Agnostic, Age : 32, City : Gold Coast, State : NA, Country : Australia, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,
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