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After reading selections from the Talmud, I am wondering how a Gentile can have affinity for a Jew if the Gentile is treated lower than an animal, and viewed almost as a ‘tool.’ Is there any Jewish guilt over this discrimination, and what are Jewish people, (as a religion, not a race), taught about we Goyim?
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Name : Jedd C., Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Christian, Age : 35, City : Akron, State : OH, Country : United States, Occupation : escrow, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Lower middle class,You’re assuming the selections are true and that Jews really are taught to abuse Gentiles. They’re not. These ‘Talmudic selections’ are usually compiled and posted on the Internet by people who really hate Jews, and the quotations are either false, deliberately mistranslated or taken out of context. For an example of hoked-up quotes and the real quotes, check out http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/short.html
It’s considered a disgrace before God (Hillul ha-Shem) to treat a non-Jew badly, because it reflects badly on the entire Jewish community.
If you want to get the real Jewish teaching about non-Jews, start with this genuine Talmudic quote: ‘He [Rabbi Ben-Azzai] also used to say: Despise no man and deem nothing impossible; for there is no man but has his day, and there is no thing but has its place.’ (Pirkei Avot 4,3)
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Name : T.R., Gender : M, Religion : Jewish, Age : 37, City : Los Angeles, State : CA, Country : United States, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,Heh heh. How did a non-jew get hold of the talmud anyway?
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Name : A.K., Gender : F, Age : 25, City : Los Angeles, State : CA, Country : United States, Occupation : Whatever,First, I would be interested where in the Talmud it says that a gentile should be treated as a tool (and lower than an animal). Even if it says that, it is hardly to be taken seriously. All religious writings are from a different time. There is a passage in the Koran that reads ‘kill infidels wherever you find them,’ and Christian passages that condem all non-Christians to eternal damnation. Still, 99.9 percent of Muslims don’t interpret the Koran to mean that they really should kill infidels, and almost all Christians believe that a good man (like Ghandi, fr example) will be taken care of by God no matter what his religion is. The same goes here. In practice, all Jews are taught to treat everyone equally, no matter their religion, race, gender or what have you. We are taught to ‘love and respect our neighbor’ without mention as to whether the neighbor is a gentile or not. I am a practicing Jew and can give you my word that I have never met a Rabbi or any other Jewish community leader who has preached anything less than complete respect, friendship and a helping hand for anyone anywhere who offers us the same. I offer you mine.
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Name : Matt, Gender : M, Religion : Jewish, Age : 21, City : Boston, State : MA, Country : United States, Education level : 4 Years of College,I am actually guilty of exactly what I was criticize you for doing. The supposed quote from the Koran is not ‘Kill all infidiels wherever you may find them’ but rather ‘Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them…'(Surah 9:5) This may seem like a meaningless distinction, but the second one can also be interpreted to fighing the inner pagan (as in wherever you find them, inculding yourself). My point remains the same though. Obscure quotes cannot be taken out of context and be taken at face value. As put by Bernard Haykell, Assistant Professor of Islamic Studies at New York University: ‘It is true that the Koran contains verses that are antagonistic to Jews, Christians and non-Muslims. That said, the Koran also has verses that are positive and favorable to Christians and Jews. It is important to know that the Koran cannot be interpreted without the knowledge of the wider body of legal and theological Islamic literature. Verses don’t stand on their own without context, and the context is always much more nuanced and sophisticated than the literal meaning of the verse.’ Well the same can be said about the Christianity and the New Testament; and, in this case, Judiasm and the Talmud.
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Name : Matt21820, Religion : Jewish, Age : 21, City : Boston, State : MA, Country : United States, Education level : 4 Years of College,Funny. I grew up in Brooklyn, and I felt that many Latinos were a bit rude toward Jews. You sure you guys don’t have teachings telling you that all *Jews* are ‘lower than animal’? After all, Latinos have been rude to me, so I could believe it. And I’m not being racist; it’s simply an observation.
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Name : Ted, Religion : Jewish, City : L.A., State : CA, Country : United States,The original poster wasn’t talking about the moral arrogance of all religions. He was specifically attributing to Jews a lust for dominance and hatred for others in our sacred writings, using a piece of anti-Semitic propaganda that’s been around, literally, since the Middle Ages. The fact that your brother-in-law is obnoxious had nothing to do with it, nor the fact that you can find others like him in every other organized religion…because you’ll notice, the questioner didn’t talk about the hostility to non-Christians found in the New Testament, nor the hostility to kufr (infidels) found in the Koran — he only talked about Jews.
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Name : TR27587, City : L.A., State : CA, Country : United States,I am in the process of converting to Judaism, and the final deciding factor was the statement by a rabbi affirming that Hashem hears the prayers of the oppressed from all nations… I find this to be a far cry from members of other religions I have encountered, that will not pray for the needs of those outside thier faith, no matter desperate…
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Name : Luana Kenyatta, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : Black/African American, Religion : Hebraic Christian, Age : 34, City : Buffalo, State : NY, Country : United States, Occupation : performer/writer, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,The original question asked whether jews thought that non-jews were equivalent to animals, or at the very least whether this was in the Talmud or Torah. I think most religions naturally perceive themselves as being right and others of being necessarily wrong or at least misquided. However from what I have read in the Torah and what I have heard about the teachings of our ancestors there is nothing worse than treating people, of whatever religion or class they are, without dignity and respect. One must understand the times the Torah was created in when reading it, slavery was still common and women where not considered equal to men. One must also understand the times that the Rabbi’s were writing there ‘rules’, in general jews lived separately from non-jews and if not treated as a lower class at the very least had different laws that governed their action than those of the ‘locals’. Just because Jews, Christians, or Muslims believe their religions are correct doesn’t mean they should denigrate the beliefs of others. This is what I was taught in Jewish schools, by Jewish parents, by Jewish friends, and by reading the Torah and other Jewish texts. The Orthodox Jew quoted believes strongly in the teachings of the Torah and even though he might think Jews are more ‘skilled’ than non-Jews he still respects them for their necessity and does not in any way view them as animals. Of course the question could be asked – who’s more important to the running of a hospital, the doctors or the orderlies? Can a hospital survive without either?
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Name : YS, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Jewish, Age : 29, City : San Francisco, State : CA, Country : United States, Occupation : Architect, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,
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