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How can some homosexuals call themselves Christians when what they are doing is specifically mentioned in the Bible as an abomination to God?
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Name : Robert-R, Gender : M, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Christian, Age : 22, City : St. Joseph, State : MO, Country : United States,A solid amen to most of the responses above. I have always been amazed at Christians who have selectively obeyed or promulgated the many laws and admonitions stated in the Old Testament. Yet when pressed for a reason why they did not follow all of the teachings, they have always hesitated, mumbled something about “dispensations,” and then moved on to another topic. Most don’t understand the cultural differences at the time of the Old Testament and attempt to enforce those directives which they can most easily live by today, while cleverly(?) ignoring the rest.
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Name : David-H27127, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : Hispanic/Latino (may be any race), Religion : Christian, Age : 51, City : Orlando, State : FL, Country : United States, Occupation : College Professor, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Upper middle class,Many people incorrectly use labels to describe themselves and their status. The word Christian means exactly “a smaller version of (an imitator of) Christ.” Since Christ was not gay, (nor did He have sexual relations of any kind), someone who chooses a sexual orientation different from that of their gender as assigned by God is mistakenly calling themself a Christian. Let me be quite clear here: Male gender=male heterosexual, female gender=female heterosexual. Since God made the rules, it’s God’s game. If we try to change any of those rules, we are only deceiving ourselves, not God. No matter how hateful and how negative and how ‘anti’ their lifestyle gay people may feel the Bible is, to disbelieve and alter the meaning and interpretation of the Bible is to DENY Christianity, and therefore to mistakely call oneself Christian. Incidentally, I am not homophobic, rather, I am very tolerant and accepting of any divergent beliefs; it’s just that I am a stickler for accuracy. True Christians do not condemn or point fingers at anyone, they will kindly and lovingly point out what God has said, and offer to pray and/or counsel in that specific direction. If any gay person has never experienced that response, than you need to find some REAL Christian folks.
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Name : Al, Gender : M, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Christian, Age : 49, City : Ottawa (Ontario), State : NA, Country : Canada, Occupation : audio engineer, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,All of the previous postings have at least made one important point: The jury is still out on what the Bible actually says about homosexuality. The five main passages most Christians cite are hotly debated by Biblical scholars and theologians to this day, with no consensus in sight. How can you expect us to accept your version, if so many other Christians disagree with you, and vice versa?
I’m not very learned in ancient texts, so I have to listen to everybody and then make my mind up for myself. And I have. I have staked my entire salvation on the belief that your assessment of what the Bible says about homosexuality is wrong. Now, I could ask you if you would be willing to make that same kind of bet that you’re right, but since these supposed abominations don’t affect you, you don’t have to do that. A very convenient place for you to judge, don’t you think?
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Name : Trace24212, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Gay, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Methodist, Age : 33, City : Denver, State : CO, Country : United States, Occupation : Technician, Education level : 2 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,It is sad to see The Word twisted to nothing more than ‘What ifs’ and second-guessing. There are those who would have others believe that ceremonial laws are the same as others; as if eating fish or wearing wool and linen would be put in the same category as murder. The fact is that there is scripture condemning homosexual acts. However, another fact is that Jesus does not want his children to attack, harm or belittle anyone … sinners or not (anyone remember the female adulteress?). Again, homosexual acts as we know them are a sin, but to treat anyone less than one would treat his/her own family is a sin as well (Mr. Phelps, are you listening?).
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Name : Demetris, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : Black/African American, Religion : Christian, Age : 34, City : Frederick, State : MD, Country : United States, Occupation : Communication Engineer, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,Perhaps it’s possible in the same way people get divorced and call themselves Christian. I can’t remember the number of admonitions to heterosexuals in the Bible, but it must number in the hundreds. Homosexuality is mentioned hardly at all. You have to pick through the Old Testament with a nit comb to find the references. When Congressman Bob Barr authors the absurd ‘Defense of Marriage Act’ to keep gays from marrying, is he really trying to defend marriage? By last count, he liked marriage so much he’d done it three times. And Bob calls himself a Christian.
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Name : Donald, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Gay, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Unitarian, Age : 41, City : Atlanta, State : GA, Country : United States, Occupation : Graphic Designer, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,Ok Robert R.: how can liars call themselves Christians when the Bible specifically says not to lie? How can thieves call themselves Christians when the Bible says not to steal? How can people who hate their neighbor be Christian when the Bible says love thy neighbor as thyself? So, if you had a gay neighbor, would you love them as yourself? All of these things displease God, but because he is a loving God, he forgives us of our sins, as we should do for others instead of being so judgmental all the time (another thing the Bible says, don’t try to remove the splinter from your neighbor’s eye when you have a tree sticking out of your own, or something like that). We should worry about serving God and quit trying to make others feel guilty or not of ‘Christian quality’ because of their sins. God loves us all, even though none of us deserve his love. You are no more deserving of his love as a heterosexual than a homosexual is.
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Name : Jules, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Christian, Age : 26, City : Raleigh, State : NC, Country : United States, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,First, it is not completely agreed that homosexuality is condemned in the Bible. Also, if it is, it is in the old part, which reflects the opinions and values of that time. How could you dare question whether a person is accepted by God? As for a person calling themself Christian: Christianity means something different to every person. I am atheist, and I know this might sound ridiculous, but I can almost understand Christian people better than they themselves. For the most part, Christians are loving and accepting and do not make sweeping judgments. To say that a person is not a ‘real’ Christian is ridiculous. You live with sin every single day … are you not an abomination? Do you deserve the title of Christian? One last thing: gay people do not choose who they like and who they don’t. It is a part of who they are. You basically say that homosexual people choose to be separate from God because they like people of the same gender. What if I told you that because you breathe you are not a true Christian? In fact, that because you blink and move that you should be cast from God’s view?
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Name : Matt22035, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Gay, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Atheist, City : Toronto, Ontario, State : NA, Country : Canada, Occupation : Student, Social class : Upper middle class,There are only 7 admonishments in the Old Testament for homosexuals. There are 368 admonishments for heterosexuals throughout the Old and New Testaments. So who does God think needs more supervision?
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Name : Jeffrey T., Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Gay, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Christian, Age : 42, City : San Francisco, State : CA, Country : United States, Occupation : Travel Industry, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,While I agree with what some of the other posters said about what Paul was referring to, What the sin of Sodom was or was not, let’s say for a moment that I accept that the Bible says homosexuality is an abomination. The Bible also says that if your children disrespect you, they should be stoned to death. It says women having their period are not allowed inside until a week after their period ends. It says you can’t eat pork or shellfish. While Jesus never said word one about homosexuality, he did say divorce was wrong. So if you want to know how a homosexual can be a Christian, I want to know how anyone who has not killed his disobediant son can be a Christian? How can a divorced person be a Christian? How can someone who eats pork and shellfish be a Christian? Actually, to say that someone cannot be a Christian because of their sin is ridiculous. All Christians are sinners; they believe that their sins are forgiven via the cross. That means the sins of gays and lesbians and as well as the sins of straight people.
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Name : Bob Byrd, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Gay, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Christian, Age : 38, City : Birmingham, State : AL, Country : United States, Occupation : management, Education level : 2 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,first lat me start by saying i dont think that under any circumstance that i or any one else holds enough moral authority to judge as i am too a sinner. i agree that their are alot of people who use religion as a means to harbor hateful thoughts but not all people go reading the bible as a means to condemn anyone. I don not think people should protest funerals of murdered gay people harrass gays or lesbians but at the same time i am entiltled to agree with whom or what i choos e same as gays and lesbians are. I am no saint I recignize that i have sinned and i can admit that . People I don’t agree with homosexuality, adultery, stealing, lying, murder no sin mentioned in the bible yet we have all comiited some wrong. in short i don’t care what the homosexual community does. yes we no its wrong but every person is responsible for his or herself. I only have problems when you talk about Gods word. God said he is not the author of confusion. His creation is perfect. When the flood occured god instructed noah to take two of each animal male and female i dont think that if he had taken only females or only males we’d have any wild life left or for that matter if noah had taken male partner as well as his sons we would exist come on people the truth is you know its wrong but you dont care i could except you saying that alot easier
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Name : kiea26344, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : Black/African American, Religion : Christian, Age : 25, City : montgomery, State : AL, Country : United States, Occupation : secretary, Education level : 2 Years of College, Social class : Lower middle class,I believe that many things have been writen into the bible for Socity own standards. How many people live by all the ten Comandments or what about what is said about keeping the Sabath Day Holy, and ditary restrictions like pork. With all of Jesus’ own words in the Bible he never speaks once about Homosexuality. Don’t get me wrong I am not saying that I believe that Homosexuality in any way is a sin, but it says in the bible that God views all sin as the same(to go against his word) Please remember I do not believe that Homosexuality in any way is a sin I just wanted to make it clear that if others see something as sinnful it is all the same in God’s eyes.
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Name : Kory Stone, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Gay, Race : White/Caucasian, Age : 25, City : Flushing, State : MI, Country : United States, Occupation : Human Services, Education level : 2 Years of College, Social class : Lower middle class,Responce to ‘Further Notice 6’: Acctually, God did not create man nor woman. He created Adam and Eve who were genderless until God punnished them for their disobedience. Being separated into gender was their punnishment. Woman to carry chilren and suffer pain of labor and desire for their husband, etc. Furthermore, God created mankind in ‘his’ immage. If he created mankind as genderless, God must also be genderless. Also, gender is a physical atrribute, not a spiritual one. I believe that souls are genderless, and therefore can be attracted to either gender which gives rise to homosexuality. The cause for homosexuality is therefore a result of God’s design, and not of mankind’s.
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Name : Chad, Gender : M, Age : 27, City : Tulsa, State : OK, Country : United States,Well are you a Christian if you don’t beat your children? Did you have pre-marital sex with your spouse? Do you lie? Have you ever stolen? Please…
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Name : Tyler P., Gender : M, Age : 18, City : Hiawatha, State : IA, Country : United States,I agree with most of the answers that state that people quote and use the Bible for their own convenience. That is why there are so many religions that believe and follow certain parts of the Bible. Why? For their own convenience on what they desire to do or not to do.
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Name : Yair, Gender : M, Age : 24, City : Spokane, State : WA, Country : United States, Occupation : Military, Education level : 2 Years of College, Social class : Lower middle class,
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