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June 17, 2004 at 12:00 am #1498
James D.MemberMany people would consider me rich – I sold my business and am relatively well-off. People think of me as “lucky” – lucky to be born white and smart, lucky my parents encouraged me, lucky my business succeeded, etc. But to me, that kind of “luck” is different from the luck of winning a lottery, marrying someone with money or inheriting money. I worked hard to get where I am, and I do consider myself lucky, but unlike a lottery winner I believe I earned my place in life and deserve it. Do other people see those two kinds of luck as separate? Or do people who are not as well-off as me think I am “just lucky,” the same way someone who inherited wealth is?
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Name : James D., Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Gay, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Atheist, Age : 47, City : Summit, State : NJ, Country : United States, Education level : 4 Years of College,June 27, 2004 at 12:00 am #41177
EJMemberDon’t ‘they’ say that ‘luck is what happens when opportunity meets preparedness’? Many of the factors that you attributed to ‘luck’ actually have an element of skill to them. Being white isn’t a guarantee of success (despite some views to the contrary), and owning a business doesn’t guarantee success, either. Being smart? I suppose that luck factors in by way of not having any physical or mental defects that would prevent you from being so. Having a good education helps in that area too, and yeah, that can involve luck, but skill as well. Again, lots of people go to great schools and squeak by with a low C average, or worse. The lottery, on the other hand, embodies ‘luck’.
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Name : EJ, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Deist, Age : 35, City : Dallas, State : TX, Country : United States, Education level : High School Diploma, Social class : Middle class,October 24, 2004 at 12:00 am #47350
Danny HarbisonMemberThis is a misconception that has been put out there by the left in their attempt to engender class warfare. You are not lucky. You have done the things you needed to do to get where you are. You have gotten the education and skills you need. You’ve worked long hours and have made sacrifices to get where you are. I grew up what can be best described as poor white trash. I decided I wanted out of that situation and have done the same things. I don’t consider myself lucky, and I consider those who do consider me lucky as being victim wannabes.
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Name : Danny Harbison, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Gay, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Asatru, Age : 40, City : Atlanta, State : GA, Country : United States, Occupation : Teacher, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,October 24, 2004 at 12:00 am #19583
Q manMemberI believe I can provide the answer to you. Bear with me thoguh, as this is not an easy subject. In essence, all aspects of life are ruled by the universal Law of Causality: cause and effect – we sometimes refer to this as Karma. The word Karma, however, does not and should not entail any esoteric meaning. It simply means ‘action.’ Having stated that, then we can think about how the concept of causality can apply to your life. Very simple. Karma is thus the accumulation of effects from the good and bad causes that we bring with us from our former lives, as well as from the good and bad causes we have made in this lifetime, which shapes our future. Karma is created by actions – our thoughts, words and deeds – and manifests itself in our appearance, behavior, attitudes, good and bad fortune, where we are born or live – in short, everything about us. It is all the positive and negative influences or causes that make up our complete reality in this world. There you have it. Luck or fortune then is entirely created by oneself. You control it. It’s like an investment; if you are wise, a good investment will manifest good results. A bad one well, it will simply suck. There is no such thing as an external ‘being’ or ‘deity’ in charge of life or any aspects of life; life is a self-sustaining, always-evolving phenomenon of which we are just one conscious facet.
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Name : Q man, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : Hispanic/Latino (may be any race), Religion : Buddhist, Age : 34, City : Phoenix, State : AZ, Country : United States, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,October 24, 2004 at 12:00 am #28889
A.C.MemberThe real problem here is not about luck, but about opportunity. We all know the playing field is not level. There are many who are very talented but have to work harder than you may have had to. So when they say ‘luck,’ I believe they are referring to your good fortune in having the opportunities, education and resources available to you as you grew up, support system at home, etc.
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Name : A.C., Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Disability : Deaf, Race : Mixed Race, Religion : New Age/Metaphysical, Age : 32, City : Tucson, State : AZ, Country : United States, Education level : 4 Years of College,October 24, 2004 at 12:00 am #29934
SteveMemberThis reminds me of something I saw on TV pm Sixty Minutes, I think it was. They took two guys identical in every way; education, build, mannerisms, dress. There was only one difference between the two, one was black, one white. They followed them around to the same job interviews, hotels, all sorts of places. The differences in the way they were treated was astounding. My point is, you are lucky if you are white; people treat you different. Hard work has a lot to do with what you make of your life, but a black person has to work a lot harder for the same things a white person does in this country. Society makes it that way. People of all races will think ‘they’ are different, ‘they’ treat everyone equally, but it’s hard to keep one’s mind and attitude from the stereotypes driven by today’s society.
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Name : Steve, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Religion : Atheist, Age : 43, City : Tucson, State : AZ, Country : United States, Occupation : Retired Military/student, Education level : High School Diploma, Social class : Lower middle class,October 24, 2004 at 12:00 am #37869
AnneMemberI consider myself lucky in many ways, but also realize that it is hard work that gets me places. I was lucky to be born to caring parents who stressed education and a hard work ethic early on, so that I didn’t have to completely create opportunities for myself later, like so many have to. I don’t consider acing a test or getting a job lucky because I studied and prepared for it beforehand. Sometimes I say ‘good luck, even though you don’t need it!’ The harder I work, the luckier I become, as Thomas Jefferson said.
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Name : Anne, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Catholic, Age : 21, City : Cedar Falls, State : IA, Country : United States, Occupation : Student, Education level : 2 Years of College, Social class : Upper middle class,July 16, 2007 at 12:00 am #37577
MarisaMemberThere are three kinds of people: 1) the lazy, who don’t do anything with themselves; 2) the hard-working, who make things happen for themselves; and 3) the people who have dreams, and some of them come true, and when they do, they consider it luck. They do the job but not so well. If they see another person do it and they see they made it happen, then they think ‘how l wish l had luck like that’. My point is everyone is different. It’s just that when work needs to be done, people have different ways of getting it done.
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Name : Marisa, Gender : F, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Christian, Age : 15, City : St. Charles, State : IL, Country : United States, Education level : Less than High School Diploma, Social class : Middle class,July 16, 2007 at 12:00 am #44999
JessicaMemberI believe you earned your place in society and it IS great that you had encouragement and all that goes along with it. There are, however, those who are less ‘fortunate’ and deem themselves ‘down on their luck’. Those who do not have all that you do are simply envious – and they wish that they could have that life or be as ‘lucky’ as you. Life is like a deck of cards, you play the game you’re dealt. You worked hard and you deserve all the ‘luck’ you’ve received. Enjoy yourself and encourage others to work hard, go after something they truly believe in and they may just turn out to be as lucky as you!
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Name : Jessica, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Atheist, Age : 19, City : Mississauga, State : NA, Country : Canada, Occupation : Admin, Education level : High School Diploma, Social class : Middle class,July 16, 2007 at 12:00 am #43037
Tommy24153MemberI would consider myself lucky: white, male, upper-upper middle class, spent most of my life on heroin and cocaine… It was fun, really, fun – and now I’m going to one of the top 10 schools (because of who my dad is) in the country. I remember talking to my lawyer for my latest larceny charge and she told me I had three things going for me: I was white, upper-middle class and young. Am I lucky? Yes. Am I proud? No. Would I trade my place with anyone? No. Luck and greed run the same course and once you look back, you’ll never be the same.
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Name : Tommy24153, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Atheist, Age : 22, City : Raleigh, State : NC, Country : United States, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Upper middle class,July 16, 2007 at 12:00 am #42171
Vail27406MemberI guess many of us just think ‘lucky’ as in “I wish I had it.” It’s based more on envy. Yes, sounds like you’ve earned it, and you’ve no doubt also had some good fortune, as well as beginning with some advantages. But I think being lucky that something didn’t happen to thwart your plans and goals is the same sort of luck as winning the lottery. The difference is that you can’t apply your skills and advantages to winning the lottery.
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Name : Vail27406, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : mutt, Religion : Atheist, Age : 40, City : Philly, State : PA, Country : United States, Education level : 2 Years of College, Social class : Lower middle class,July 16, 2007 at 12:00 am #41658
BenMemberYou are partly right. I am a liberal, and find it astonishing that people don’t realize the existence of economic race discrimination. But I do realize that ‘opportunity’ is only a part of it. The rest comes with persistence and making a plan for yourself. ‘Luck,’ on the other hand, does not exist. Its existence is a superstition. ‘Good fortune’ exists, however. You can be fortunate enough for things to be going your way. Don’t expect it to last too long if you don’t take pride in the actions you took to make them that way, though.
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Name : Ben, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Agnostic, Age : 26, City : Audubon, State : NJ, Country : United States, Occupation : Waiter, Education level : High School Diploma, Social class : Middle class,July 16, 2007 at 12:00 am #40651
Lee25002MemberAs my mother would say: ‘People make their own luck.’ Most people I know who think they have bad luck usually make bad decisions and therefore bring most of their problems on themselves.
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Name : Lee25002, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Catholic, Age : 32, City : Los Angeles, State : CA, Country : United States, Occupation : Computer Programmer, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,July 16, 2007 at 12:00 am #28663
Dave RMemberDanny, I too grew up like you – poor. I made decisions along the way to better myself, but I still consider myself lucky. I don’t believe for a second that it has anything to do with the ‘left’ creating a division. Not everyone has the mental acuity to make all the ‘right’ decisions that lead to success. Heck, some of us don’t have to make any decisions at all, with that silver spoon hanging from our mouths. Do I believe there are a lot of people who take advantage of the system and have no aspirations? Of course! But I also believe there are MORE that legitimately need help because of circumstances. God really does work in mysterious ways.
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Name : Dave R, Gender : M, Race : White/Caucasian, Age : 44, City : Mountainhome, State : PA, Country : United States, Occupation : tradesman, Education level : Technical School, Social class : Middle class,July 16, 2007 at 12:00 am #23214
JBMemberNot to belittle your accomplishments and hard work, but there are many hardships you have not had to endure. Being born white, male, smart, with encouraging parents puts you in a definitely lucky minority. If you doubt that you have won the equivalent of a genetic lottery, talk to an orphan who has just ‘aged out’ of foster care. Hard work and perseverence are not always rewarded with a comfortable standard of living in this country (or even a safe standard of living). From the perspective of those of us in the lower tax brackets, there are too many folks with wealth telling the half-truth that ‘hard work’ got them where they are today. To do that is nothing short of cruel. Surely you know that the people who scrub your toilets and do your laundry work far harder than you ever did. Count your blessings, and do it quietly, please!
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Name : JB, Gender : F, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Agnostic, Age : 32, City : Seattle, State : WA, Country : United States, Occupation : graphic artist, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Lower middle class, -
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