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February 19, 2002 at 12:00 am #1629
Tresha-OConnor32462MemberI am a Christian. I am also a lesbian. I have studied the Bible and prayed more diligently about this than any other subject. I meet many other Christians who assume that I am blindly ignoring God’s will or refusing to face the ‘truth’; yet, they have not done the research I have. I hear a lot of ‘God loves/approves of the homosexual, just not the act of gay sex. That sounds dubious to me and contrary to the studies I have done. It seems as if some Christians don’t want to study the Bible as a whole and instead wish to hold onto their beliefs, without backing them up Biblically. Why is that?
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Name : Tresha-OConnor32462, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Lesbian, Disability : PTSD/Major Depression/Anxiety, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Christian, Age : 32, City : Irving, State : TX, Country : United States, Occupation : homemaker/disabled, Education level : 2 Years of College, Social class : Lower middle class,April 28, 2002 at 12:00 am #31655
Jennifer30857MemberI would be interested in knowing what you have gleaned from your research to suggest something other than the ‘God loves/approves of the homosexual, just not the act of gay sex’ idea.
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Name : Jennifer30857, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : Black/African American, Religion : Christian, Age : 31, City : St. Paul, State : MN, Country : United States, Occupation : Non-Profit, Education level : 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,April 28, 2002 at 12:00 am #45136
LindseyMemberIt’s in the bible that homosexuality is wrong and perverse. You’re right – God does love homosexuals because He loves everyone, no matter what sexuality they are. But He does not approve of it. If he wanted people to be gay, it wouldn’t have been Adam and Eve, it would be Adam and Mark or Eve and Sarah or something. Man and woman were ultimately meant for each other, in romance and in sex. God created us and romance and sex, so why say that you follow Him yet not his commands?
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Name : Lindsey, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Christian, Age : 15, City : Chicago, State : IL, Country : United States, Occupation : student,April 28, 2002 at 12:00 am #42151
SamSlick28290MemberYou say you’ve studied the Bible extensively and that there is condonement of lesbianism by God (in so many words you stated) .I’m afraid you’ve fallen victim to the devil. That might sound harsh (even judgmental), yet it’s true. The devil has got you hood-winked into thinking God will accept your sin, or that lesbianism isn’t even a sin. If sin were acceptable to God, then there was no reason for Christ to die on the cross. There is no way you can be truly born-again (if you even claim to be) and practice a gay lifestyle. If a person is born-again, the Holy Spirit lives inside of them and will start to change them from the inside out to be more Christ-like (the meaning of Christian). Homosexuality is condemned by God in the scriptures, Old and New Testament. Jesus said if you love Him, you will keep His commandments, which are reflected in The Word. You’re right, one must take the Bible as a whole and pray that God will use His Spirit to enlighten you in your understanding. Christians should want to understand the scriptures the way God intended,not the way that we perceive them. If you are attending a church that supports the way you feel, run.Get involved in a true Christ-loving, Bible-believing church. Never base things on how you feel or what others say, always base things on the Word of God. It’s the Truth. I will pray for you and may God bless you and set you free.
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Name : SamSlick28290, City : Dayton, State : OH, Country : United States,April 28, 2002 at 12:00 am #39523
DC31825MemberMy experience is that the Bible is full of many contradictory messages. Just one example: The Ten Commandments say ‘Thou shalt not kill,’ but God then instructs the Israelites to slaughter many tribes inhabiting the Holy Land. The Bible can be used to support all sorts of hateful acts, including slavery and genocide – as well as demonization of alternative lifestyles.
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Name : DC31825, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Atheist, Age : 33, City : Tulsa, State : OK, Country : United States, Occupation : Chemist, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,April 28, 2002 at 12:00 am #38600
Megan20745MemberI, too, am a Christian and have severed some of my ties with my church, but not God, because of this very subject. Anyone who claims to have a knowledge monopoly of any kind is blind to his or her own imperfection. God does love and accept all of his creation. Anyone who has the ‘answers’ to what lies in God’s heart is underestimating his coolness (sorry for lack of a better word) and putting human limitations on a higher being.
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Name : Megan20745, Gender : F, City : Dubuque, State : IA, Country : United States,April 28, 2002 at 12:00 am #37804
Tina V.MemberI’ve been a Christian for 30 years, and so far I’ve not found anything in the Bible to support homosexual activity. But it’s possible I haven’t done the extent of research you have. I’d be sincerely interested to learn which Bible passages you found that support your position. Thanks and God bless you.
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Name : Tina V., Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Christian, Age : 49, City : Chapel Hill, State : NC, Country : United States,April 28, 2002 at 12:00 am #36786
Mike20599MemberI see the problem as twofold: 1) The modern Bible is, at best, a very bad translation from the original ancient Greek, Aramaic and Latin texts. For instance, the modern King James version of the Bible (in the New Testament) uses the word ‘homosexual’ when, in fact, that word did not even come into usage until the 19th century in Germany. The original text (ancient Greek) uses a word that is commonly accepted by the majority if linguists as meaning ‘male prostitution’ – a common practice in Paul’s time (men servicing mainly women). People will accept these inaccurate translations as correct because of their belief that the Bible is the ‘word of God’ and thus is incapable of containing human error (be the error purposeful or not). 2) Much of what is written in the Bible is taken out of context. For example, Paul’s writings in the New Testament are letters to various churches throughout the Middle East. Paul was addressing complex issues specific to the churches to whom he was writing. Without knowing those specific issues, trying to understand what Paul is saying is only viewing one side of the story. This is also true with the Old Testament. Take what the Old Testament says about marriage – that wives must be subject to their husbands. Marriage in the Old Testament times was not a matter of choice for the woman – the choice of husband was made by the woman’s father, and men often had multiple wives. Thus, if you try to apply what the Old Testament says about marriage without knowing what marriage meant in those times, you are taking the message out of context.
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Name : Mike20599, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Gay, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Christian, Age : 41, City : Santa Cruz, State : CA, Country : United States, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,April 28, 2002 at 12:00 am #33616
Bella23330MemberHere is a verse of the Bible that clearly condemns homosexuality. It’s as clear as crystal to me and to most other Christians. It’s quoted from the King James translation of the Bible from the Book of Leviticus, chapter 20, verse 13: ‘If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.’ Now, your lifestyle may not be punishable by death in the United States as it was for the Israelites to whom God gave this law, but I think God’s opinion is very clear. If you really want to live the Christian life, homosexual activity has to be stopped. God forgives, and you can begin again. Hopefully there is a church or support group near you that can help you come out of the gay lifestyle.
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Name : Bella23330, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : Afro-Caribbean, Religion : Christian, Age : 29, City : Washington, State : DC, Country : United States, Occupation : administrative assistant, Education level : Technical School, Social class : Middle class,April 28, 2002 at 12:00 am #31700
AllisonMemberChristians are against homosexuality because the Bible is against it. Old Testament, Leviticus 20:13: ‘If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood wil be spilt on their own heads.’ And New Testament, 1st Corinthians 6:9: ‘Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders will inherit the kingdom of God.’ That’s just a couple of the refrences to homosexuality found in the Bible. God is pretty clear that homosexuality is wrong and that it’s not how He created us. I understand how you feel because often Christians make being gay somehow worse than other sins, and that’s not true. However, anything we do that is wrong we need to repent of and ask God to help us change. If you are really a Christian, then you understand the sacrifice Christ made on our behalf, and the depth of sin from which we have been saved. You should want to change, not because somehow you need to be good enough (we can never be good enough), but because you are so grateful for what Christ has done. It is true that God loves His children, but if you continue with this sin, knowing that He has said it is wrong, are you really His child? If you come to him, and ask His forgiveness, He will forgive you. But none of us can continue in our sin without repentance and still claim to be chldren of God. I hope this makes sense. I am sorry for ignorant Christians who you feel are condemning you. Think about it, and feel free to respond to me personally.
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Name : Allison, Gender : F, Age : 18, City : St. Louis, State : MO, Country : United States,April 28, 2002 at 12:00 am #30795
LindseyMemberRomans 26: For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. Romans 27: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Leviticus 13: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
1Corinthians 6:9-10: ‘Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.’
Check out christiananswers.net to learn more and hear other people’s stories and what the Bible has to say about homosexuality. I searched under homosexuality to answer your question and found many pages you might be interested in reading.
Homosexuality was not intended, because God made man and woman, not man and man, woman and woman,. He didn’t make it possible for same-sex couples to reproduce, He made man and woman. If you really love God and want to serve and follow him, you would obey him. Live an amazing life for God and overcome your feelings of homosexuality.
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Name : Lindsey, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Christian, Age : 15, City : Chicago, State : IL, Country : United States, Occupation : student,April 28, 2002 at 12:00 am #25314
ClayMemberPicking and choosing what you want out of the Bible is something everyone does. It’s wrong in every case, not just some cases, because in God’s eye sin is sin. God doesn’t differentiate and doesn’t play favorites. In the Bible, there are many references made to sexual impurity. In Romans, Paul discusses sexual impurity and how men should not lay with men. I’m not a big-time authority on this, but I would assume that because it says man should not lay with man, that also means woman should not lay with woman. Now, I will say that in my opinion God doesn’t view lesbianism or gay sex as any more or less of a sin than he does sexual promiscuity of the ‘straight’ variety. As I said, people pick and choose what they want out of the Bible, and many times they feel as if their sin is not as bad as someone else’s because it is THEIR sin. I don’t want to be your judge, because it also says in the Bible that one should not judge another. It says that in Romans, I believe. But, I will say that homosexuality in the eyes of God is wrong, just as many common practices of sexual and spiritual impurity are wrong. Pray for strength and understanding and read many of Paul’s letters he wrote from prison. Especially Romans, it’s like the Bible compressed.
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Name : Clay, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Methodist, Age : 30, City : Kansas City, State : KS, Country : United States, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,April 28, 2002 at 12:00 am #24693
JaimeMemberI strive to be a Christian. I read my Bible every day as part of being a Christian. Don’t think all Christians are the same. All Christians have different weaknesses, and they do strive to be better. Some may have a weakness in drinking while another may be in gossiping. Christians are not perfect. That is why we go to church and read our Bible; it’s to learn and better understand what is right and wrong. Christian means to be ‘like Christ’ or ‘Christ like,’ which is something to strive for. We all have our downfalls. You mentioned being gay. The Bible mentions it being a sin. The Bible also mentions that God doesn’t hate the sinner … it’s the sin he doesn’t like. He loves all kinds of people. When we sin, it doesn’t mean He hates us. It means we disobeyed Him and we have to suffer the punishment or consequences. When we sin, we are to ask for forgiveness and then repent, which most of us find harder to do. I can’t say if you are deliberately ignoring what God says is wrong. You in your heart and God know that. People may not understand your struggles. I just wanted you to know that there are many Christians who strive to do better and are willing to pray for and help others in need.
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Name : Jaime, City : Somewhere in Arkansas, State : AR, Country : United States,April 28, 2002 at 12:00 am #14604
AaronMemberI would love to discuss this from a Biblical standpoint, how the Bible says it is wrong and why, but the real question is why as a Christian are you willing to debate what I assume you believe God made you? If you are as devout a Christian as you claim to be, why debate who and what you are? If God made you, why justify who you are? I believe homosexuality is wrong, and I can use the Bible to back it up, but is that what it’s for? Or is it to make all of our lives better? To keep us in peace, to make us peacemakers on the earth? There are things about you I can justify in the Bible are wrong; you could do the same about me, but we as Christians should not fight and debate with each other; it is Satan we must fight. So I hope I could help.
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Name : Aaron, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : Black/African American, Religion : Baptist, Age : 31, City : Palo Alto, State : CA, Country : United States, Occupation : Customer Service Rep, Education level : 2 Years of College, Social class : Middle class,April 28, 2002 at 12:00 am #23506
T27549MemberThe reason for this approach of taking whatever suits is because there are – as you will agree having read the lot – masses of contradictory statements in the Bible. So, whichever Christian denomination takes whichever Biblical quote seems to support its particular stance most, be that dogmatic, moral or ethical. Contradictory statements are either downright ignored or subjected to the simplistic qualification that ‘that particular detail is metaphorical/ historically and culturally confined, and therefore should be read as meaning actually something else’ or ‘that is simply irrelevant.’
The authority establishing what should be qualified in such a way, and what read as verbatim divine truth and applied as a rule, is, of course, always the particular denomination whose stance is the issue. The secret is: circular logic cum eclectic reading and presto! You get any results you wanted from any ‘holy book’.
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